Rev. Chelsea MacMillan is the founder of the Brooklyn Center for Sacred Activism, the co-host of the podcast The Rising: Spirituality for Revolution, and a dedicated activist, community organizer, and “warrior for peace and change.” She recently taught a course called “Reclaiming the Apocalypse,” and her wisdom is invaluable in these times of crisis, and always. We spoke about the overlaps between religion and spirituality, collective healing, mutual aid during coronavirus, climate change, and more.
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LIBERTY PROJECT: Did you grow up spiritual, or involved in activism?
CHELSEA MACMILLAN: I grew up in a really evangelical, conservative Christian family, but I rejected it pretty early on. My parents divorced when I was like ten or eleven, and that was around the time where I realized that being a Christian doesn’t mean you’re a perfect person. I was just woken up to a lot of hypocrisy. I started rejecting the exclusionary attitude of the churches that we went to, and I called myself an agnostic for a while. I started to question my epistemology without realizing it, wondering why I thought the way I did.
Then I started traveling the world in a performing group, and I had a lot of really intense, magical experiences that I think were mystical experiences. I remember feeling really connected to all people and all creatures everywhere, and I felt this sense of oneness. I definitely felt spiritual, though I didn’t want to put it into any form.
Then I worked on staff at a place called the Omega Institute, which is a big retreat center in the Hudson Valley. I tried out different forms of Buddhist meditation and Earth-based practices and things that were vaguely pagan or shamanic, as well as more New Agey things. But I was always really impatient with the way that spiritual communities were in terms of what was happening in the world. I couldn’t really accept the idea that we were all one and that we could “be the change we wish to see” while sitting on our yoga mats. The world doesn’t reflect that. Yes, it’s a spiritual truth, and I’ve experienced that feeling of oneness and connection, but I think it doesn’t do any good to just sit here and believe that. We have to realize and actualize this belief.
During one of my summers at Omega, I learned about this interfaith seminary called One Spirit. I went there and was ordained as an interspiritual minister, and it was there that I learned about sacred activism. I actually took a class with Andrew Harvey, who basically coined the term “sacred activism.” He was one of the only people really talking about how activists and spiritual folks needed to come together, because there’s a shadow side to both of those groups.
And I realized…this is why I came here. This is what I’ve been looking for my whole life. Sacred activism is the idea that activism in itself is a sacred path, because all the great spiritual teachings tell us to live our lives with compassion.
I had also been going to a lot of activist meetings and circles and thinking that the people there really needed spirituality. Everybody was so caught up in blaming and shaming. No matter what your ideology is, rigid and dogmatic ideologies are harmful. That’s what I had grown up with—but now I was with the liberals, and it was the same sh*t. It wasn’t loving and wasn’t accepting.
Along your journey to finding the place where activism meets spirituality, are there any experiences that stand out to you as particularly formative or that you feel set you on this path?
I did have a moment recently that confirmed for me why I’m on this path. This past October, Extinction Rebellion had a global week of rebellion. We started with actions at Wall Street and threw fake blood on the bull, and we did this dramatic die-in in front of the stock exchange.
We were also doing RebelFest in Washington Square Park, which felt like an example of realizing that you don’t have to perform a direct action to be disruptive. Building community is disruptive, and feeding each other for free is disruptive, and doing art together is disruptive.
That week, I also took part in the Times Square takeover with XR. We shut down an intersection with this big bright green boat, and there were 13 of us who were glued and chained to it. My comrades and I were put in the tombs, which is where they take everyone who’s been arrested, and there was a woman detoxing from heroin on the floor and a pregnant woman who totally should not have been in jail. It was a really intense experience, and I remember thinking—could I go to jail for longer? Would I be willing to go to prison for this cause?
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I was going through these ups and downs of feeling like I was losing my mind, and there was a moment where we all just were laughing at ridiculous things because…you lose all your power in there. You don’t know [when] you’re going to be let out; you’re hungry and tired and dehydrated and dirty. And I was like… Could I do this more? Could I be here for months? Do I have it in me? I remember thinking, what am I called to do? How am I called to serve?
I thought of all the people who have inspired me like Dorothy Day and MLK and people who really followed that calling to make the world a better place. It’s a spiritual calling.
I realized I do feel like I’m willing to sacrifice my life for building a more just and loving world. I was surprised to feel that in a moment of despair, but that’s where I felt closest to God, spirit, or the great unknown. I felt like I was being called, and it felt very powerful.
What does your vision of a better world look like?
What excites me is thinking about the mystery, rather than coming up with the best plan for a bright new world. This requires us to be in the present and in the future and to bring the future into the present. When I think about a vision for the world, I ask questions like: How do I want it to feel? What does it look like, sound like, feel like?
I think what the future looks like is here now. I see it all the time. I see it with the current crisis, in the ways in which people have been jumping into action around creating and activating networks of mutual aid—and taking time to play with their kids, and rest and take walks in the park. I see it in places where we’re really connecting with each other.
I think of a new world, or the future, as one in which we’re taking care of each other, in which we’re really connected. Can you imagine, if we really took care of each other? We wouldn’t need housing justice. We’d already be doing it. We wouldn’t let anybody not be cared for. We wouldn’t have people going hungry, because we’d already be feeding each other.
It sounds a little overly simplistic to say all of that, but I think bringing things into the present and asking—what do we have that we want to grow?—actually helps us be more grateful for what we do have.
Humans have a limited capacity for understanding. We understand a lot and we’re constantly innovating, and that’s sort of what it means to be human—finding meaning—but we can’t see the future, and we make mistakes. As soon as we have a plan for the future, it limits creativity and the emergence of something that can grow from the ways we’re already connecting with each other and being with each other.
So many religions seem to boil down to this idea of compassion, and I’m definitely seeing that in responses like mutual aid. So in light of all your work, how have you been processing the current crisis? Are you seeing potential in it? I know you taught a workshop on the apocalypse—not that this is an apocalypse, but…
But we are! It’s like a perfect example of the apocalypse. Apocalypse means “to lift the veil,” and having this crisis is showing us how f*cked-up our medical system is and how f*cked up our whole economy is to rely on humans as capital. It’s showing us how our leadership is broken, how so many people were living alone before this.
As a climate activist, we’ve wondered for a long time what can really change the momentum. It’s so hard to make any change when there’s such collective dedication towards keeping a system going, a system that is based on extraction and exploitation and corruption and domination and all of those things that are literally killing us and the planet. In XR we talk about stopping business as usual—well, here we are, and business is literally stopped.
It’s my hope that it doesn’t go back to normal. I don’t want to go back to a world in which we’re all hustling to make ends meet and we’re working so hard and so long that we don’t have time to connect to each other.
I do think it’s showing us what’s possible. All of the politicians and businesspeople have told us for a long time that it’s not possible to stop the system and change it all in order to stave off the climate crisis—but we’re doing it.
If the New York Times was reporting on the climate crisis as much as it’s reporting on the coronavirus crisis… that could change things. If everyone was told that we have to stop using our cars and we have to stop doing this thing and taking flights and traveling for our safety and so we don’t die…maybe we wouldn’t have as big of a problem. The response we’ve been taking with coronavirus actually needs to happen with this climate crisis.
It all does seem like a wakeup call. Before this, it seemed like most of the people I know—even if they weren’t plugged into the climate crisis—had the feeling that something unsustainable was going on, that something precarious was happening. And this does seem like a large planetary exhale to me.
We need to bow down and honor what’s happening to us, to step back and see how enormous this shift is. It kind of takes my breath away. It’s honestly the same feeling that I felt when I was sitting in jail.
It’s interesting that you compare the feeling you’re having in this crisis to the feeling of being in jail. Those both seem like moments of great change and shift. I keep seeing Octavia Butler’s “God is change” quote everywhere and it feels like these moments could be related to that.
I love that quote. It’s probably my favorite way to describe God.
I’m seeing all this in two ways: There’s tragedy, but there’s also growth that could be happening. It feels like if anything it’s waking us up to the importance of community and the current lack of community. Even a lot of activism work doesn’t seem to hone in on community or connection or rest and then there’s so much burnout, and it feels like all this is kind of calling for a practice of rest and community-building.
I think it’s so easy for humans to jump in and ignore all of our feelings and ignore connecting to each other, focusing on how we might fix this painful feeling, instead asking—what is this moment telling us? There’s something beyond my comprehension happening right now.
It’s easy for me to say that in times of crisis, people jump into action to help each other, because that’s what I see in communities. But it’s also true that there are people who get scared and hoard and only take care of their own.
I think every human has both responses possible in them, and this reminds me of a story that I read as part of my apocalypse research called Why the World Doesn’t End by Michael Meade. He says there are three kinds of people in the world: There are the people who just only care for themselves and maybe their families, who in times of crisis will turn on their neighbor, and who are just trying to survive. Then there’s a second group of people that really care about others and contribute to community and are attuned to other people’s needs; but those people, under great stress, will also turn on their neighbor and contract and hoard and try to protect and defend themselves and their families.
But then there’s a third kind of person that in the midst of crisis will rise up and reach out when the impulse is to actually turn back in. I think that’s what being a sacred activist is: someone who can be with the unknown and who can be with the vulnerability of reaching out in times of danger.
I think in order to be able to reach out, you have to rely on something other than yourself. You have to be able to rely on something, even if that’s your community or if that’s God or spirit or even the earth. You have to feel supported enough to reach out to others in a time of crisis.
I think that’s been sticking with me. Who’s going to be that third group of people?
Alright, I’m done on my soapbox. That’s my sermon for today.
What do you suggest people dive into, if you’re looking for a way to get involved at this time? I know you mentioned mutual aid.
XR has been plugging into neighborhood groups and existing networks of mutual aid. That could be taking care of your neighbors and seeing what they need or delivering meals to aging populations. Also there’s something called The Leveler, a wealth redistribution tool that allows people to donate a certain amount of money to people who just lost their jobs.
But also…check in with people. Be with the feelings. XR has ramped up offerings for people to connect with each other and share their feelings and meditate. It’s called “Extinction Resilience,” and it’ll pretty much be happening twice a week right now, and that’s a great place to cultivate inner resilience.
